Keith Carr’s Insights of the Veteran’s Journey in Education and Career Advancement 

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Unknown 

Welcome to episode four of the Leadership Lounge here at Ohio University. They make them programing the Walt or the Robert D Walter Center for Strategic Leadership. That’s a mouthful to say it. It’s like sharing it here with Dr. Amy Taylor Bianco and author also Keith Carr. How you doing? Hey, good morning. How’s life? Good. Welcome back to Ohio University. 

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Unknown 

Oh, you know, for whether we have right kind of training for LTC this year. That’s it? Yeah. This second, second degree from you. And this is my second time on campus, so I’m doing really well. Exactly. How can you not be frustrated? You got in yesterday, right? Did you? Anything fun last night? Nah. Came in relaxed, got something to eat and just kind of got ready for for the weekend. 

00;00;58;13 – 00;01;19;21 

Unknown 

But usually bring the family, right? Yeah. Family’s here. Okay. Family’s in town with me, so my daughter’s doing a campus tour this afternoon. Oh, how old is she? She’s 17. And she’s going to go to show you that she’s a junior. So trying. She’s got it. She’s got to figure it out. But yeah, Junior in high school, she’s going to be graduating next year and she should have her associate’s degree as well. 

00;01;19;27 – 00;01;35;01 

Unknown 

So why not? Got to figure out if she’s going to be a transfer student or a freshman coming in. We’re all back up. So she’s graduating high school and she has an associate’s. She’s going to have she’s going graduate her high school with high school degree and an associate’s degree. So it was an option. That’s amazing. Oh, yeah.  

00;01;35;03 – 00;01;50;12 

Unknown 

That was saving a ton of time. Oh, yeah. I guess there’s sort of. But it’s it’s hard. You got to be, like, really wanting to do that. It’s such a imagine the amount of stress and pressure. So good for her. That’s all that I wouldn’t never done it. So I’m glad she’s able to do it because that Yeah.  

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Unknown 

Yeah. So And you just recently graduated then and some program where I guess you’re graduating Graduating? Oh yeah, I’m graduating this weekend. Classes are done now. It’s just the formalities just presented in the capstone class. The final presentation did a phenomenal job. Yeah. So before we dig into, like, your journey of what got you through that massive program, what got you to them as a program? 

00;02;11;03 – 00;02;37;08 

Unknown 

Can you kind of walk me through your journey before you started the amazing program? Yeah. So I served 20 years in the Navy, Navy, and whenever I retired in 2014, I had GI Bill money available to me and I was going to actually go to Ohio State University and whenever I actually went, they wanted me to do all my classes in-person. 

00;02;37;08 – 00;03;12;09 

Unknown 

There wasn’t really my cup and my cup of tea, so I ended up getting a job with the Ohio Department of Transportation. Oh, wow. And while I was working for them, found the applied management online through, you know, so I went through that route and graduated in 2018 from that with my bachelor’s from AEW. Wow. Took a little bit of time off and then got a job as a county veteran service officer for Montgomery County and started researching it again and saw the MSN program. 

00;03;12;09 – 00;03;30;10 

Unknown 

And that kind of lined up with my military history and things that I had been doing. So I jumped on board with it and here I am. Here we are. So what skill sets transfer between being a veteran or being in the active military and then the MSM program or education in general? Well, a lot of them actually. 

00;03;30;10 – 00;04;06;17 

Unknown 

I mean, as during my time in the military, I spent a lot of time doing a lot of logistics and I was a construction mechanic in the Navy. So we were always needing parts, figuring out how to get parts. And whenever you’re in Iraq or Afghanistan, trying to get the parts you need, you know, you kind of got to understand the process and how to how to work the the trade agreements and yeah, yeah that’s on Amazon prime thing or you can’t just rifle and trying to get things overnighted over there is a little difficult Usually it takes at least three days and it’s a flat drop in a helicopter right. 

00;04;06;17 – 00;04;38;11 

Unknown 

Yeah right. But it’s the supply and logistics like that one. I’d seen a lot of government jobs associated with it and then business analytics. That was just a but I like challenges. Yeah. And that one, you know, trying to predict the way things are going and research and things. So I jumped on that one and figured it’d be a good stepping point trying to move into a new career and fantastic. 

00;04;38;13 – 00;05;00;11 

Unknown 

Yeah, it’s really interesting where you came in with the experience and I’m learning kind of the, you know, more about it, but you came in as quite a few of our students do, right? Came in after working and leading for for a number of years. Could we could we introduce RAZ to he? Yeah, Yeah. So she’s walking around and she oh, you’re totally fine. 

00;05;00;11 – 00;05;21;21 

Unknown 

So so who is RAZ? RAZ is my service dog. She helps with mobility and a couple of other things. So she’s about she’s almost two years old. She’s had three different trainers that have worked with her in the last year. Going to events like this and stuff helps me. A couple of months ago, I had a full knee replacement. 

00;05;21;21 – 00;05;37;12 

Unknown 

So trying to get up and down stairs and everything. Is it was tough before, but I’m trying to build that muscle back. So whenever I go up or down steps, she helps stabilize and helps pull me up so so I can get up and down steps. Pretty good audio engineers pull up from my ex who’s going to try to make my class here. 

00;05;37;12 – 00;05;56;06 

Unknown 

And it’s like, yeah. So that being said, the next step for you as well, because I know you were talking about that this this role in going to some program your next step is actually a different county, correct. I mean, well I just during this process I’ve started out I was working as a veteran service officer in Montgomery County, which is Dayton area. 

00;05;56;08 – 00;06;25;13 

Unknown 

And then throughout the course, you know, last year, I got offered a position as a director in another county. So I started over. So now I’m in charge of veteran services for Preble County, which I’m ecstatic about. I love my job. I don’t foresee moving anywhere anytime soon unless it’s back to Montgomery to take over as the director, But I doubt that’s going to happen. 

00;06;25;16 – 00;06;52;02 

Unknown 

Yeah, but the main thing I biggest thing with the MSM program and getting this degree was more to show my daughter. I mean, at the end of the day I wanted her to see the same with the bachelor’s degree. The goal was to show her, you know, how hard it is to go back to school later on in life and to take advantage of the opportunities because like with me, I had the Montgomery GI Bill that paid for it had 36 months to use. 

00;06;52;02 – 00;07;13;26 

Unknown 

So I already had an associate’s degree in social science that I earned while I was in the military. So to jump back in to get my bachelor’s, I knocked it out in the year while working at ODOT, plow snow and everything, working. I trained train 40 and 60 hours a week plus plus doing 4 to 5 classes a semester in order to to graduate. 

00;07;13;28 – 00;07;39;00 

Unknown 

There I go. Do I ask her? Has a question, Alex Ross, what’s it like to be Keith’s? She’s shy on the ground and she keeps there she goes. That’s that’s fantastic. I’ll go ahead of Yeah. So so trying to show her. And then she started taking college classes the same time I started the MSM program. So you’re kind of students together? 

00;07;39;01 – 00;08;05;29 

Unknown 

Yeah. So as a sophomore in high school, she started taking college classes for biochemistry. Oh, wow. So who’s a better student? You are your daughter. Oh, I am, without a doubt. Right there. Yeah. And the reason is, is I have more drive. Sure. You know, it’s that I’m older, I’ve. I’ve. I’ve matured a little bit more. A little bit more then. 

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Unknown 

And she’s still figuring it out. Right. You know, so and it’s she has sports and everything else where I go to work and I come home either going to watch her sports and then do homework or do my homework. So as she saw that there was nights that I was up till midnight doing doing coursework, and then next thing you know, she’s still up till midnight doing the coursework. 

00;08;28;21 – 00;08;55;23 

Unknown 

So it was kind of fun and now she’s she’s already looking at graduating high school with her associate’s degree. And then she likes she’s playing soccer and stuff, so she’s trying to find a place that she can play soccer for four years of eligibility. But if she can transfer in as a junior, then she’s like, Oh, I’ll play for two years, get my bachelor’s and play another two years and get my master’s. 

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Unknown 

And that that’s amazing. Yeah. And I’m thinking, man, she could be 22 years old and be done with her master’s degree and have everything taken care of. Yeah, that’s what amazing opportunity. I’m sure you’re a huge role model for her, especially you going back to education. You did. As I said, she’s she’s learned a lot that she doesn’t want to wait until later on in life whenever she has a full time job and a family and everything else and then add coursework on top of it. 

00;09;22;16 – 00;10;00;08 

Unknown 

So that’s I love it now, so we can talk before they give us some experience of that, after what you’re looking for in the next. So I kind of dig into like the process of MSN because this podcast is really focused on people that are considering going into MSN program or at least a university graduate program. What’s been your experience doing some program like from start to finish outstanding, and every professor has been there to help the very understanding that the goal is to succeed, you know, and that that is where the professors and everybody involved in the MSN program is there to to help and to, you know, push you a little bit but 

00;10;00;09 – 00;10;24;21 

Unknown 

help pick you up if you’re if you’re struggling. So I haven’t had a single issue with any of that. The classes are are spaced out and just perfect. I mean that seven week class it’s just enough to get in motivates you push you to learn what you need to learn. And the best part is everything is based on what you’re doing. 

00;10;24;23 – 00;10;48;06 

Unknown 

What’s your experiences? How can you relate your experience to the coursework as opposed to like getting your bachelor’s? Where here you need to learn this stuff. Here’s here’s the paperwork, learn this stuff. The MSM program is more, okay, you’re doing the job. How can we apply it and tweak it to make it a little bit better? Nice. I love that and similar experience. 

00;10;48;06 – 00;11;22;04 

Unknown 

That’s great. And then your two certificates again, supply chain and data analysis, right? Yeah. So going into those two, are they similar or are they different? What what’s been your experience like with this? I mean, there’s obviously they go together well, because whenever you’re dealing with supply chain logistics, ordering, understanding the supply chain and the different areas of it, you can use the prediction models from the business analytics to figure out, all right, how much are we spending, What are we expected to spend next year? 

00;11;22;07 – 00;11;50;03 

Unknown 

Yeah, the forecasting. Yeah, the forecasting models as well as, okay, we’re we’ve taken the big hits in the past so you kind of have that, that broader perspective on the the supply chain side. Yeah. Yeah I love that you came in with a background of having done supply chain and then coming in with processors that are really pretty applied in the way they do things. 

00;11;50;03 – 00;12;16;10 

Unknown 

Is there any particular class or particular project that you worked on in supply chain that you’re like, Yeah, that’s like that’s something that I did or that I needed to know or I don’t know any, any specific experience that was useful for you? I’m trying to think, I mean, there’s one and I can’t remember which class of class is one. 

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Unknown 

Yeah, but again, there was one that had a video game that if you went, you know, you’d learn it and then you still had to do the practical. And the practical was going through and using this video game. Oh, wow. And trying to work. All right. You know, you need to hire more people to work in this area or you want to cross-train this person to be over here or, you know, and how to you know, how your income goes up. 

00;12;45;15 – 00;13;11;10 

Unknown 

And. Yeah, so it’s just that was pretty neat to go through seven weeks of trying to I thought I thought I was pretty good at it, but I, I didn’t make near as much money as what I was hoping. So I spent a lot though. That’s a really interesting or good. And one other thing that I think you kind of you’re very humble and you kind of just went over quickly is you got a pretty significant promotion, too, during the program. 

00;13;11;11 – 00;13;36;21 

Unknown 

Yeah. So how do you feel like you were better prepared for that or just more confident going into to get the promotion that you did? I think, you know, I had I was a lot more confident. Yeah. Being a disabled veteran, you know, I never like to show weakness. Yeah, no veteran does. And here I am walking around with the service stuff. 

00;13;36;23 – 00;13;58;28 

Unknown 

So going into any job interviews, the dog walks in before I do. Yeah, as soon as I see see her, every question that they had in their mind kind of gets blanked. And it’s more of a they’re looking at her wondering, why does this guy have a service dog and how is this going to affect business? How is this? 

00;13;58;29 – 00;14;30;10 

Unknown 

Yeah, so and it was no different whenever I interviewed for this position, even though I had been out in the county and helped out a couple of times and they knew me and the veterans out there appreciated the work that I was doing for them, I still had to go through the interview process and everything. So part of the MSN program was I got a mentor like my second semester and not a bad experience, but didn’t quite get as much out of it as I had hoped. 

00;14;30;12 – 00;14;52;09 

Unknown 

And it was more because of timing and just the way things worked out. Yeah, but even then, whenever I asked my mentor, you know, hey, I can interview, I yeah, I know all the I’ve been to enough interview classes, you know, be prepare for this, you know, dress accordingly all the, the basics. And I was like, all right, now how do I do it with a service, though? 

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Unknown 

Mm, mm hmm. How do I break that barrier during the interview process of, Hey, I’m capable of doing this job, and my service dog won’t even, you know, you won’t even realize that she’s there. It’s kind of like, you know, I tell a lot of people, it’s like having a medical device. Mm hmm. Yeah. Same thing. If I walked in with a cane, nobody would care. 

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Unknown 

Mm. But I walk in with the service dog, and now it’s, you know, what do we do? How do we do? How is this going to affect everything? And she’s my responsibility. At the end of the day. Everything she does, she tear something up. It’s my responsibility, you know, So and I fully accept that responsibility. So that throws them off a little bit, too. 

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Unknown 

So. But you learned how to interview with dogs. This is part of you? Yeah, it’s it’s a team. You know, they hire a team whenever they hire me, they hire a team. And at least a makeup is maybe a net benefit. Honestly, if you walked in with a dog, I’d be like, All right, when can you start? Right? 

00;15;47;00 – 00;16;08;10 

Unknown 

So I feel I never understand the stigma that you’re so sick. Yeah, I mean, it’s hard to it’s I actually found out that one of the jobs that I applied for an interview I didn’t get, and they ghosted me completely, didn’t even let me know. Whenever I left the interview, they told me I was hired. I was just waiting to give me a date, really. 

00;16;08;10 – 00;16;31;26 

Unknown 

And then I called them back. He called them, you know, and left, sent emails, never heard anything. I just moved on. And then I got a call about the year later saying, Hey, you still interested? That guy that interviewed you has been fired and we’d like to interview you again. I went back in, come to find out that his comment was, We’re not hiring him because of that thing, though. 

00;16;31;26 – 00;16;57;13 

Unknown 

Are you serious? Yeah. And I didn’t know it at the time. You know, it didn’t bother me. I moved on, but that’s true. That was a big the big thing. They didn’t want that. You know, at the time I had my other dog that was a black lab. Oh, so big black English lab. That’s a wow. So. So, yeah, that’s very interesting. 

00;16;57;19 – 00;17;16;03 

Unknown 

So was there any class that surprised you going into it that you maybe were like, okay, I’m going to put my seven weeks in, but you got way more out of it than you thought you’re going to. Cause I mean, for me, that was Dr. Kelly’s course of decision making. Yeah, I wasn’t expecting, like, okay, it’s going to be like a lecture series, but I don’t think she lectured once. 

00;17;16;03 – 00;17;45;09 

Unknown 

I think it was all very much conversations. And so that was my big surprise. So was there any class like that for you? Well, I like Dr. Jamal. I mean that. Yeah. The whole there’s this many people on the board that, yeah, there is kind of that playing God for his. I got that worked out great because it also gave, you know, everybody in the class time to mix and get to know each other a little bit better and, you know, have that open discussion that people would normally have. 

00;17;45;09 – 00;18;08;29 

Unknown 

Yeah. Especially online, because you can go online classes and not meet anybody if you don’t want to just show up, do what you got to do and turn the camera off just right. But so that one kind of broke the barrier. And then I think my analytics classes are two on the predictive and descriptive. Just because so much Excel based. 

00;18;09;02 – 00;18;33;20 

Unknown 

I know and I just I don’t use Excel as much. Yeah. So watching yeah, watching the professors just bounce around an Excel sheet. Yeah. And I’m like, control. Yeah, yeah. You’re like that all this or they’re flying all around it and I’m like, yeah, doing that and packing. Yeah. Okay, use the mouse. Try to figure it out. I just got. 

00;18;33;20 – 00;19;00;21 

Unknown 

I could pause the videos, relax. Oh, pause. I catch up and play again. Yeah. 30 minute video takes me 2 hours, you know, So, you know, I was just happy to, you know, accomplish that, you know, because I’m one of those I want to do the best I can. I’m at this point in time in my life. It’s one of those I push myself to almost be OCD to I want to get it, you know, get where I need to be in those classes. 

00;19;00;27 – 00;19;17;02 

Unknown 

I couldn’t do it. You know, It’s just one of those frustrating. Why can I not move this, you know, move around the blocks as quick and it’s just experience and time and you pick it up eventually. Yeah. And can you walk me through I think you had a pretty impactful capstone experience. Can you walk me through what that looked like? 

00;19;17;05 – 00;19;45;11 

Unknown 

Oh, yeah. Professor Musser, his 14th, the 14 week capstone was a great research project. Yeah, We went on the beer industry learning all about the beer industry for the first seven weeks. And, you know, kind of looking at the business model, you know, what’s the growth rate and everything. And then the second seven weeks, we worked towards building a presentation for Brooklyn Brewery. 

00;19;45;12 – 00;20;13;23 

Unknown 

Oh, fun. And the CEO. Eric Ordway Yeah, he yeah, he was, he came in and we briefed him. Oh wow. So the goal was to have two of the students brief and just question and answer during that time. Sure. Well, yeah, right before about a week before we did it, I got asked if I’d brief do one of the briefs. 

00;20;13;26 – 00;20;38;00 

Unknown 

Yeah, Yeah. No big deal. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, if nobody else is watching it, I am for it. So I put it, you know, had it all put together and then there wasn’t time for too. So I ended up being the anyone to brief. Oh my gosh. So which was pretty cool. You know, I kind of threw some, some different angles at it and I learned I didn’t realize nonalcoholic beer was harder to brew than regular beer. 

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Unknown 

Really? Wow. Yeah. Whenever he started explaining that, I was like, Well, that explains it. Yeah, that explains a few things. But like with those guys, they have three or four different nonalcoholic beers. Wow. And whenever you look at their cans, you can’t tell that they’re nonalcoholic. They look just like the rest of the rest of the cans. And it just says in small print now. 

00;21;01;25 – 00;21;21;11 

Unknown 

So if you’re sitting at the bar, you would not know that somebody sitting over, you know, across the bar is drinking non alcohol. So it’s very interesting. Says the same brand. You saw that same experience. That’s right. So going through that capsule as well. I mean, have you done a lot of presentations this year before? Was it the first time in like what was your experience like? 

00;21;21;11 – 00;21;40;17 

Unknown 

Oh, I’ve done a few presentations of my last duty station while I was in the Navy. I was I worked for a two star admiral. Oh, I guess so. For four years, I got used to briefing here and whenever I was deployed, I, I’d brief two star generals and stuff. And so you would use those high octane conversations. 

00;21;40;17 – 00;21;57;09 

Unknown 

Was there a lot of overlap with that with this briefing, a two star general versus CEO of a brewery or in that area? It was both about the same. I knew more briefing the two stars. Yeah, because I was briefing them about things that we had going on in different areas and stuff. So I was well versed on that. 

00;21;57;09 – 00;22;30;06 

Unknown 

I could talk to anybody about that stuff. Talking to a CEO of a brewery that’s been in business for 35 years, I don’t have that much knowledge if you’ve never been. Yeah, I’ve never, never worked in that area. So yeah, I basically brought the different perspective, different thoughts that he could try or maybe he’s tried in the past that you just didn’t know and like with all things, there’s trends now you can see it. 

00;22;30;08 – 00;22;57;07 

Unknown 

I realized throughout the course the I missed him a lot about people drinking beer. That’s just something that I’ve noticed in my own life. A lot of veterans have started drinking nonalcoholic, and usually it’s the older ones. And I didn’t at first I was like, Oh, you know, guys 89 years old starting to get dementia, right? Probably doesn’t need to be drinking regular beer anyway, right? 

00;22;57;14 – 00;23;24;05 

Unknown 

But they’re the ones that go to the AMVETS, the VFW and stuff that’s there. It’s their social. Social thing. Yeah. So to see them all sudden, you know, you start to see they start switching over to the non alcoholic and it’s like, oh, there’s a whole demographic that I never thought about trying to sell beer to is the older and then nursing homes really serving nonalcoholic beer. 

00;23;24;08 – 00;23;46;04 

Unknown 

So yeah, that’s a really good point. Why not now? They still want to drink beer and sit around and talk, but they don’t need to get hammered while they’re doing that. That’s probably a good call. So, you know, and a lot of the nonalcoholic beers are, you know, white can with a red label you know, nonalcoholic at big in a on it yeah Y right that’s the branding thing that’s very interesting. 

00;23;46;08 – 00;24;08;13 

Unknown 

Now last question for me, in case you have any more questions, do if if there was a massive student or prospective student that’s about to jump into the program, what advice do you have for them If you went back to day one of your own, some experience, I’d say, you know, stop, stop hesitating. Just do it now. There’s nothing that can’t be accomplished. 

00;24;08;16 – 00;24;33;27 

Unknown 

And everybody is so supportive. Know the the fear of the unknown, you know, just get rid of it because it’s worth every every minute you spend on it, the people that you’ll meet, the networking, the the education is top notch. So I know some people get worried about an online class. You know how to I’d rather be in class. 

00;24;33;29 – 00;25;01;20 

Unknown 

But now with everybody’s different work schedules and the professors are always, you know, they they record all of the classes. So if you have an event or something that’s going on, you can still see the the, the class and they’re always available to email and most of them will email you back like within half an hour, which I blew my mind whenever it’s crazy like a Saturday or Sunday. 

00;25;01;20 – 00;25;18;29 

Unknown 

And I was having an issue and I sent an email, I’m like, Well, I probably won’t hear back for a day or two. And within 20 minutes I had a response. I was, Oh, well, this is how I fix it. You know, It was amazing. I think it was Professor Young’s course that I was mid exam and I emailed him a question. 

00;25;18;29 – 00;25;32;07 

Unknown 

I’m like, Hey, you probably can answer this. I mean, exams are no worries. I just want a heads up. There was like something that was messed up with the template, she said, to lead a cell or something. And it was literally 3 minutes. I’m like, Were you just looking at your email, waiting for students to message you? Because you’re absolutely right. 

00;25;32;07 – 00;25;47;21 

Unknown 

They’re responsive. That’s rare. You know, and and I don’t know if you get that. And a lot of the other programs I’ve talked to other people that have went through and got their master’s degree and they didn’t have that. You know, they they fought a lot harder and they didn’t get as much out of it as I think I did. 

00;25;47;22 – 00;26;13;11 

Unknown 

Yeah, it’s awesome. Jeremy, questions just real quickly, I think you’ve both and both as students in the program have highlighted the community and the connectivity. You’re talking about it with professors right now, but the other connectivity and you’ve and Keith taken advantage of a lot of the things you’re at nearly every extra opportunity that’s there, whether it’s a fireside chat or a, you know, networking event or anything, is there. 

00;26;13;14 – 00;26;36;17 

Unknown 

So anything you’d tell students, like, yeah, you can get through the program, but make sure you do, you know this, whether it’s the LDC or whether it’s going to the career coaching or like what would it be that you’d say? Make sure you know, there’s so much. Yeah. To pinpoint one is impossible. My my big thing is take advantage of everything. 

00;26;36;19 – 00;27;10;27 

Unknown 

Use it all, try it all. You know if, if you go to a fireside chat and, you know, maybe it’s just not in your wheelhouse. And so I went to and they weren’t there, just they didn’t play to what I need. Yeah, but I still win because you can find little things in there. Not to mention, you see people, you start talking to people, you start that network, and then whenever you come to the LDC, you sit down with people face to face that you’ve been looking at on a computer screen for a year making sure. 

00;27;10;28 – 00;27;53;12 

Unknown 

And I thought it was ready. So it’s like, okay. And then you can build from there right? Yeah, the the mentoring and the coaching. Yeah. Take advantage of it. You know, if you try it and it just doesn’t work out. Okay, You’re not losing, you know, you’re not losing on anything. You know, the grad care program is another on that and I join that and the the coach that I had great had a lot of great points had helped me navigate some of the the computer stuff that that I hadn’t look at because I don’t have a big social media by any means. 

00;27;53;14 – 00;28;15;29 

Unknown 

So to to see the importance of my LinkedIn page and, and some suggestions on how to improve it. You know the little things that that start to add up it’s fantastic. Anything else won’t talk about. No you know okay well thank you so much for your time. Yeah no problem. Talking of thanks for the opportunity. I’m excited for LDC to write. 

00;28;15;29 – 00;28;29;15 

Unknown 

It’s going.